Hi all.
I could use some guidance with an electrical issue.
Back story: Bought my 81 about three weeks ago, it was running fine last week until I decided to reconnect the aftermarket wiper motor the PO installed with a separate connection to the alt (with an inline fuse) and a separate switch. After doing so, I started the car, and tested the wipers and they worked in the high position. I played with some of the after market switch connections and got some variation in wiper speed, but then the car started to stall, stopped running and hasn't started since.
When I turn on the ignition switch, my headlights and my heater blower motor works, but other components like the gas gauge meter, directionals/hazards, radio, and clock don't. All fuses are intact.
I rebuilt the ignition switch a few days ago, replaced all the fuses and cleaned the connections today after reinstalling the ignition, and the car does exactly the same thing.
I have the electrical diagnostics manual from Artigue's site, but I don't know where to start.
Do I test if I'm getting power out of the ignition switch, test for spark/fuel, look for a specific in-line fuse?
Really bummed, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
HELP!-Need diagnostic help
- giuliot60
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HELP!-Need diagnostic help
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
- giuliot60
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Re: HELP!-Need diagnostic help
Problem resolved.
But I wanted to document it so that anyone with a similar issue will know how I resolved the electrical/start issue.
Like the manual and others have said, many electrical problems are grounding faults. After doing some reading and diagram studying, I realized that all the components that weren't working were grounded to G3, under the dash by the ignition switch. I just unscrewed it and screwed it in and everything came back and the car started.
After feeling lucky, I decided to remove the push button start the PO installed and rewired it to stock via the rebuilt ignition that I just completed a few days ago, and it's working too!
So, I'm a much happier Spider owner now.
But I wanted to document it so that anyone with a similar issue will know how I resolved the electrical/start issue.
Like the manual and others have said, many electrical problems are grounding faults. After doing some reading and diagram studying, I realized that all the components that weren't working were grounded to G3, under the dash by the ignition switch. I just unscrewed it and screwed it in and everything came back and the car started.
After feeling lucky, I decided to remove the push button start the PO installed and rewired it to stock via the rebuilt ignition that I just completed a few days ago, and it's working too!
So, I'm a much happier Spider owner now.
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
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Excellent!
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Re: HELP!-Need diagnostic help
Thanks. It's always good when seemingly huge problems get resolved with a simple fix. But I'm humble and prepared for the next one.
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
Re: HELP!-Need diagnostic help
D'oh! G3 Ground. I'm sorry I didn't tell you about that. I must not have thought of it.
I got a lot done on mine yesterday. Just for fun, tonight, I hooked up the batter to see how many lights I could get to turn on and to see if the starter would turn. I saw lights and she did turn.
I got a lot done on mine yesterday. Just for fun, tonight, I hooked up the batter to see how many lights I could get to turn on and to see if the starter would turn. I saw lights and she did turn.
- giuliot60
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WOW! I'm impressed 6C. Can't wait to go for a ride.
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
- giuliot60
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Re: HELP!-Need diagnostic help
Updated Update:
So it turns out it wasn't the G3 (or at least it wasn't the only culprit). The direct cause of my electrical issue was due to a loose connection on the back of my aftermarket amp meter gauge. A red and black wire going to the back of it, both heavy gauge wires, and the black wire nut was not completely tight. When I giggled it my clock second hand (that's what I use to gauge if my electrical demon is present) moved, then stopped when I moved it again.
I'm glad that's solved, and hopefully this info could help someone else's mystery electrical demon issues . At least it appears to be. It was terrible not knowing when it would decide to rear its ugly head.
So it turns out it wasn't the G3 (or at least it wasn't the only culprit). The direct cause of my electrical issue was due to a loose connection on the back of my aftermarket amp meter gauge. A red and black wire going to the back of it, both heavy gauge wires, and the black wire nut was not completely tight. When I giggled it my clock second hand (that's what I use to gauge if my electrical demon is present) moved, then stopped when I moved it again.
I'm glad that's solved, and hopefully this info could help someone else's mystery electrical demon issues . At least it appears to be. It was terrible not knowing when it would decide to rear its ugly head.
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider