Noticed that my dizzy's vacuum advance (81 FI) was not moving, but a good vaccum coming through the hose from the manifold. Had been dripping oil anyway, so was time to clean it up.
To my surprise ,I found that the vaccum advance plate had not been moving, because the screws holding the pickup were too long! When tightened down, they press down on the vacuum advance plate (below), locking it tight.
From what I can see, to work correctly, they must be only long enough to catch the threads in the upper plate (directly below the pickup). If they protrude through those threads, they are too long. Now, what has me puzzled is that I replaced that pickup first thing after I got the car, because the wires were frayed and shorting. I don't recall the old pickup being any thicker, but I tossed it, so I can't compare now. Has anyone run into this before?
I'm guessing that the screws were replaced by some mechanic who did not realize they were too long. In any case, the vacuum unit (which actually moves nicely under vacuum) has been struggling to move the plate, and the strain (or perhaps old age) has snapped the small plastic connector (that attaches to the threads on the vacuum advance unit and slips onto the round peg attached to the moveable plate).
I have temporarily (until I locate a replacement) epoxied the plastic connector back together, and inserted "spacer" nuts on the topside on the bolts holding down the pickup.
So it is clean and back together (with a new paper gasket). The entire distributor seems to otherwise be in good condition, and the vaccum advance is now moving correctly under vaccum. If anyone has had this experience and has advice, I'd appreciate it. I wish I'd kept the old pickup, but I remember it looked identical at the time.
I'm just wondering if I've done something really stupid and can't see it.
Not so Dizzy
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Re: Not so Dizzy
I haven't seen that before. I'm assuming the magnet is under the pickup?
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The screws on the plate are 30 hundredths, the dist. cap screws are 45 hundredths length. Both have the same diameter and pitch. Sounds like the dist. cap screws got used on the plate?
Ron
Oops, I edited the thousandths into hundredths. I guess my brain is taking Sunday off.
Ron
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Oops, I edited the thousandths into hundredths. I guess my brain is taking Sunday off.
Ron
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The magnet is under the pickup, and Ron, that looks like it might be the answer. The screws are certainly long enough for the cap. I'm guessing they were about 3/8 inch in length (head included), which would be about 45 thou. I'll have to pick up new ones. Do you know if it is possible to purchase that plastic connector for the vacuum advance?
What really surprised me is that if those screws are tightened up really nice (the wrong ones), then it not only locks up the vacuum advance plate, it also seems to cause some binding in the distributor shaft - making it hard to turn. Big problems caused by little things.
Thanks. Glad to know I'm not necessarily crazy.
What really surprised me is that if those screws are tightened up really nice (the wrong ones), then it not only locks up the vacuum advance plate, it also seems to cause some binding in the distributor shaft - making it hard to turn. Big problems caused by little things.
Thanks. Glad to know I'm not necessarily crazy.
Launie
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Re: Not so Dizzy
Gotta be someone here with one on a parts car. I'm just not sure what year they changed to the electonic dizzy with vacuum advance.
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Cut them I will. Wanted to be sure I was doing the right thing first. Now I know for sure, I am because I can see from reading this forum regularly that I can fully trust Ron's info and advice.
I might try making up an aluminum replacement for the plastic connector.
I might try making up an aluminum replacement for the plastic connector.
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Well, it sure runs beautifully since fixing up the distributor advance. By the way, at the same time (never a good idea to change two things at once) I replaced the old coil with a Duraspark coil. Wow! Great advice Mark. It was not easy finding one - local wreckers had only one - nothing but '90s and more recent cars in the wreckers these days!
Already this forum has helped me immensely with my "new" fiat! Timing belt tomorrow...?
Already this forum has helped me immensely with my "new" fiat! Timing belt tomorrow...?
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Re: Not so Dizzy
Thank you very much Launie, I am honored. However, I'm not infallible, so hopefully you'll get other opinions to choose from also.
I found this forum when I first got my car last October, and it was the invaluable help from the members that I try to pass on when I can.
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I found this forum when I first got my car last October, and it was the invaluable help from the members that I try to pass on when I can.
Ron