Carb Problems
I am trying to rebuild a 32 ADFA carb I bought. Almost done when I discovered two problems. The first involves the throttle shaft. The pic below shows where the shaft meets the linkage toggle. If you look closely I marked where I think the shaft should be permanently aligned. Right now there is a about a 15 degree play. It looks like the PO tried to mash the end of the shaft to keep it from moving the 15 degrees. What do you recommend to do to fix this? Should I find a throttle shaft and replace it?
Second qustion involves the fast idle cam. I can not get it to open to the top position, as shown. I have to manually move the cam into position. Can anyone tell me how to make the adjustment?
All adjustments and pics taken on the while the carb is off the car.
Matt, what do you think?
Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
Re: Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
your first photo looks like the choke plate, not throttle plate. Put a spot weld on it, or replace it
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Re: Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
Jim,
Both of the 32 ADFA's I have: the choke plate shaft looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3261997556/ the shaft is machined at the end with the parallel/square sides, the small tab also has square sides so there should be no movement between the two. With the choke plate all the way open = vertical, the machined sides of the shaft should also vertical. Your picture appears that the choke plate is all the way closed. Are you sure the movement is at this point? Hold the choke plate closed with you finger, then try to push down on the tab. If the movement is there you can do like Mark said and place a spot weld there, or if you don't have a welder carefully drill or grind a notch in the tab right next to the shaft, then peen the shaft into the area to lock the position. Support the opposite end of the shaft as you hammer or you will drive the whole assembly through the carb throat, or crack the throat housing.
The second picture is the choke unloader cam, not the fast idle cam. If you got the carb off the car go through all the adjustments and checks in the workbook. The movement of that stepped cam is dependent upon the wound spring in the automatic choke housing. Either you don't have the automatic choke housing mark indexed with the carb body, or its simply not cold enough for the spring to retract and completely close. The indexing marks should be aligned like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3261217645/ Also make sure the notch on the choke housing is engaged with the spring. If its not engaged the choke plate will just flutter and not spring back closed.
Both of the 32 ADFA's I have: the choke plate shaft looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3261997556/ the shaft is machined at the end with the parallel/square sides, the small tab also has square sides so there should be no movement between the two. With the choke plate all the way open = vertical, the machined sides of the shaft should also vertical. Your picture appears that the choke plate is all the way closed. Are you sure the movement is at this point? Hold the choke plate closed with you finger, then try to push down on the tab. If the movement is there you can do like Mark said and place a spot weld there, or if you don't have a welder carefully drill or grind a notch in the tab right next to the shaft, then peen the shaft into the area to lock the position. Support the opposite end of the shaft as you hammer or you will drive the whole assembly through the carb throat, or crack the throat housing.
The second picture is the choke unloader cam, not the fast idle cam. If you got the carb off the car go through all the adjustments and checks in the workbook. The movement of that stepped cam is dependent upon the wound spring in the automatic choke housing. Either you don't have the automatic choke housing mark indexed with the carb body, or its simply not cold enough for the spring to retract and completely close. The indexing marks should be aligned like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3261217645/ Also make sure the notch on the choke housing is engaged with the spring. If its not engaged the choke plate will just flutter and not spring back closed.
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Re: Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
Jim,
Both of your problems sound like you don't have the spring engaged into the cam lever. Assemble it so the spring is engaged then rotate it to where the marks are lined up. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3262064144/
Both of your problems sound like you don't have the spring engaged into the cam lever. Assemble it so the spring is engaged then rotate it to where the marks are lined up. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigtimes_fiat/3262064144/
Re: Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
Matt, thanks.
If I manually push the push the choke unloader cam to the left (mimicing a cold start environment) the stepped cam will only move to the second highest position. I do not know how to get it to the highest step. Is it designed to go to the highest step?
If I manually push the push the choke unloader cam to the left (mimicing a cold start environment) the stepped cam will only move to the second highest position. I do not know how to get it to the highest step. Is it designed to go to the highest step?
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Re: Carb Q's - Matt any ideas?!
Jim,
Yes it should make it all the way up to the final step. (32ADFA workbook page 10). You probably have to bend the tang that the spring attaches to on the left side in your second picture.
Yes it should make it all the way up to the final step. (32ADFA workbook page 10). You probably have to bend the tang that the spring attaches to on the left side in your second picture.