1969 850 Special Spider

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DieselSpider
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Your car is a: 1978 124 Spider with Isuzu Turbo Diesel

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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stello3 wrote:Hello all, I am back. I was discouraged by the comments the body shops were telling me when asking about body work. They pretty much wanted to replace all the panels instead of fabricating pieces where the rust had eaten through the metal. Or the pricing was ridiculous. And, I did not find a mobile sand blaster to take a day and blast the rust. So I stopped working on the car. After almost 2 years sitting and collecting dirt, my husband told me to part the car out, but I can't do it. So, I researched the internet, and my husband brought home an Eastwood catalog for paint and body products. I bought some paint and rust wheels, PRE Painting Prep, Rust Encapsulator, and primer. And went to work on the body. So I am back. Will post pics soon.
You just missed the sidewalk sale at Harbor Freight on their 90 amp wire feed flux welders and autodarkening helmets (I missed it too) at about $122 for the set. The also have small sandblasters and compressors regularly on sale that will get the job done however using the wrong media when sand blasting can cause more rust in the future so a word of caution in choosing the media for blasting.

Carb is easy compared to the Diesel Kiki Belt Driven IP on the Isuzu 4FB1 engine in mine which requires the services of some highly specialized Voodoo practitioner who will charge you $600 - $1,000 to calibrate it not counting the cost of having the 4 mechanical injectors cleaned and recalibrated also. Carbs are much simpler to deal with.

Here are some body patch panel videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... UehclZVeIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcOGbD ... detailpage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV87JBB ... detailpage
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azruss
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Your car is a: 80 Fiat 2000 FI

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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I can open any of your images. whats the trick?
DieselSpider
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Your car is a: 1978 124 Spider with Isuzu Turbo Diesel

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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azruss wrote:I can open any of your images. whats the trick?
If your referring to the Youtube Videos they are just links however your device has to have the codec installed that supports that video format.

Try searching on welding patch panels in YouTube and check out the first half dozen after the advertisements.
stello3

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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azruss wrote:I can open any of your images. whats the trick?
Sorry, site I used no longer had the pics. I uploaded them to photo bucket and reposted them.
stello3

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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DieselSpider wrote:
You just missed the sidewalk sale at Harbor Freight on their 90 amp wire feed flux welders and autodarkening helmets (I missed it too) at about $122 for the set. The also have small sandblasters and compressors regularly on sale that will get the job done however using the wrong media when sand blasting can cause more rust in the future so a word of caution in choosing the media for blasting.

Carb is easy compared to the Diesel Kiki Belt Driven IP on the Isuzu 4FB1 engine in mine which requires the services of some highly specialized Voodoo practitioner who will charge you $600 - $1,000 to calibrate it not counting the cost of having the 4 mechanical injectors cleaned and recalibrated also. Carbs are much simpler to deal with.
Thanks for the vids, they will come in handy. I did see the Harbor Freight sale for the welder, almost purchased it but hubby said to hold off until he sees me actually do some work on the body. About six months ago, I purchased the sand blaster and used different types of media, and tip sizes, but it was just a dusty mess. I felt I was wasting media and time. I returned the sand blaster and used the gun from the sandblast cabinet. That worked a lot better, but still wasting media and the compressor wasn't keeping up. The paint and rust wheels are working of now. Thanks for the info on the diesel system, but the carb is still a topic I do not want to think about, yet. :D
stello3

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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Commercial:
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Small area I worked on. Couldn't post other photos of the larger area due to canopy being red thus pics look worse than the actual work. (See engine mount below on both pics}.

Top half compared to bottom half
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Red arrow pointed at engine mount in red due to the red canopy. Blue arrow pointed at Rust Encapsulator treated area after rust/paint wheel used.
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DieselSpider
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Your car is a: 1978 124 Spider with Isuzu Turbo Diesel

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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The only system I have seen that would work for me involved a captive vacuum head around the nozzle and a very pricey vacuum unit to capture and recirculate the media. Walnut shells or some other neutral media is whats recommended.

The Norton System is a paltry $1,379.99 which is more than I paid for my first 2 cars combined.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... 744_138744

Then there are wet blasting attachments from Karcher and Eagle that work with a regular pressure washer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 6tcy55j8_s

There is also Ice Blasting too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... xT6GdVEtMY
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Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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I came close to purchasing a dustless system, and book side jobs, but reviews were negative :shock: . So that was when I went with the sandblaster :evil:
stello3

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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I am averaging one panel per week-end with one rust/paint wheel

I removed rear engine panel to work on it comfortable and have access to the rest of the area:
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Ptoneill
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Your car is a: 1979 Fiat Spider 2000
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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Very nice car, I know very little about the 850's. Looking forward yo your dates!
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Pat
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Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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Still working on body. I have finished several panels. I won´t bore you with too many pics unless some major work is done, but I am still plowing away.
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kmead
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Your car is a: 1969 850 SC 1970 124 SC 85 X19
Location: Grand Rapids, MI

Re: 1969 850 Special Spider

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You are doing a great job. Keep up the good work!
Karl

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