New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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I loosely say I am a new owner of a 1974 Fiat 124. I guess the whole truth would be my son is (will be) the owner. He gets his license early next year and we picked this car up for him. Trying to get it ready to go and road worthy, so I will be searching the site a good bit and probably be asking some pretty basic question.....please bear with me. :oops:

First thing we will be doing is pulling that starter to look at it. Was running fine for a couple days but now the starter spins but it sounds like the solenoid is not throwing the gear out. At least that is what I am hoping. Would REALLY stink to have teeth missing anywhere.

While driving it, it would, at times, feel like the back end was trying to almost jack rabbit. Like the whole axle was hopping....only happened 2 or 3 times, but a very odd feeling, so I will be trying to find any info related to that.

Finally, mom has said the lap belts won't cut it. Looking at adding 3 point retractable belts to the car. Found some articles on that already, so have a pretty good idea what I will be looking at doing. Had to research that and show it was possible before getting the seal of approval to get the car..... :lol:

Looking forward to getting a lot of good info and hopefully be able to provide some usefulness as well.
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Re: New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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While driving it, it would, at times, feel like the back end was trying to almost jack rabbit. Like the whole axle was hopping....only happened 2 or 3 times, but a very odd feeling, so I will be trying to find any info related to that.
Welcome to the best forum anywhere for Fiat Spiders! With regards to the issue of "the back end was trying to almost jack rabbit" - look at the condition of the bushings in the trailing links and the panhard rod. Chances are that the bushings are just worn out and need to be replaced. If the links themselves are not damaged (broken, bent, rust, odd modification from previous owners, etc) then you can get replacement bushings from several of the suppliers. The panhard itself has some intentional bends in it. It, too, may just need to have the bushings replaced. If you need new link assemblies (rods with rubber bushings installed) those are available from several suppliers, as well. It's an easy thing to check -- look for cracks or splits in the rubber. Start there and then go deeper if needed.

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Re: New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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Welcome aboard! You will find plenty of knowledgeable and friendly people here.

Here is a thread on how to post pictures directly to the forum:

http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21014

And here is a great picture-posting thread edited by SLOSpider:

http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... 12&t=23084


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Re: New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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Well just where in central Texas are you located? I'm in North East Texas. Mine was doing the same as far as jackrabbiting, but I replaced so many bushings I can't say what fixed it. If you decide you must replace the starter go with a gear reduction starter. You will be glad you did. The factory starters are big, bulky and heavy and a pain to remove and install. I have two good factory starters I'll give you if funds don't allow for the GR starter. Autoricombi is in the Dallas area and have just about anything you will need to get this baby in pristine driving condition. These cars are lots of fun. Welcome to the forum and to the world of Fiats.
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Re: New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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Hi Shawn,

The jackrabbiting may be because of the throttle linkage if it happens mostly when taking off from a stop. Up to 1974 Spiders had a throttle linkage that included at rod that had one end attached to the firewall, the other to the engine. Well, when you start off in first gear the engine will move a bit on the engine mounts, which changes the throttle, which moves the engine the other way, which changes the throttle the other way, etc etc, so all this results from an on-off-on-off throttle that produces the jerking sensation.
If the engine mounts are tired they can allow excess engine movement and will make this condition worse.

I also recommend the gear reduction starter, I've had one for many years. The problem with the original starters is that most have been already rebuilt many times and only the most basic parts are available for them, so even rebuilds are not very reliable. Last time I had to take 3 starters to the rebuilders before they found one that was rebuildable. Likely very soon we will stop selling the rebuilds for lack of good cores.

There is a great Fiat club in Houston which also has members in Austin, San Antonio, etc. We do a weekend drive in the Hill Country every fall and spring which are great fun. I can put you in contact if you like.
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Re: New 1974 Spider Owner in Central Texas

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Thanks for all the welcomes and information.....
dmwhiteoak wrote:Well just where in central Texas are you located? I'm in North East Texas.
I am in the Killeen, Ft Hood area.....about an hour north of Austin.
vandor wrote:The jackrabbiting may be because of the throttle linkage if it happens mostly when taking off from a stop. Up to 1974 Spiders had a throttle linkage that included at rod that had one end attached to the firewall, the other to the engine. Well, when you start off in first gear the engine will move a bit on the engine mounts, which changes the throttle, which moves the engine the other way, which changes the throttle the other way, etc etc, so all this results from an on-off-on-off throttle that produces the jerking sensation.
If the engine mounts are tired they can allow excess engine movement and will make this condition worse.
This sounds like what may be happening, since it is only under acceleration from a stop. Once rolling, I have never experienced the problem. I will check the mounts out when I pull the starter.
SunnySideUp wrote:With regards to the issue of "the back end was trying to almost jack rabbit" - look at the condition of the bushings in the trailing links and the panhard rod. Chances are that the bushings are just worn out and need to be replaced. If the links themselves are not damaged (broken, bent, rust, odd modification from previous owners, etc) then you can get replacement bushings from several of the suppliers. The panhard itself has some intentional bends in it. It, too, may just need to have the bushings replaced. If you need new link assemblies (rods with rubber bushings installed) those are available from several suppliers, as well. It's an easy thing to check -- look for cracks or splits in the rubber. Start there and then go deeper if needed.
dmwhiteoak wrote: Mine was doing the same as far as jackrabbiting, but I replaced so many bushings I can't say what fixed it.
I will look at the bushings if the motor mounts don't make a change. Hopefully, it is just the mounts.
dmwhiteoak wrote:If you decide you must replace the starter go with a gear reduction starter. You will be glad you did. The factory starters are big, bulky and heavy and a pain to remove and install. I have two good factory starters I'll give you if funds don't allow for the GR starter.
vandor wrote: I also recommend the gear reduction starter, I've had one for many years. The problem with the original starters is that most have been already rebuilt many times and only the most basic parts are available for them, so even rebuilds are not very reliable. Last time I had to take 3 starters to the rebuilders before they found one that was rebuildable. Likely very soon we will stop selling the rebuilds for lack of good cores.
I will look into the gear reduction starters, but since this is my son's car, I am making him work for the money and pay for the repairs. It looks like those are $200-300, and there is other work he will need to do, so I may hit you up for one of those factory ones, dmwhiteoak.
vandor wrote: There is a great Fiat club in Houston which also has members in Austin, San Antonio, etc. We do a weekend drive in the Hill Country every fall and spring which are great fun. I can put you in contact if you like.
That sounds like a ton of fun. I would certainly be interested, as would he. Can you send me the info? I am not sure if there is a minimum posting to get PMs, but if you could PM me the details, that would be wonderful. If it doesn't work, let me know and I will bump up my post count to whatever is needed.
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