Just downstream of the ignition switch is C31, the white 6-position connector that causes so much trouble, including the dreaded click of death. I decided to look at it more closely this Winter and have these observations:
In my car it is a quality AMP product. I have no idea if it is original, but it may not be since I have a Lada after market ignition switch.
It is a terrible choice for an automotive application, because it is NON-LOCKING. This is probably the root of the whole problem. And after 36 years (if original) the plastic has distorted to the point that it doesn't mate very well.
So I pulled all of the connections from the block. They come out by inserting a very small flat tab screwdriver in to release the locking tab on each crimped connector that the housing holds. A few of them would not release under any circumstance, so the connector housing was cut away. I found a few of the connections to be made quite loosely. This is an obvious source of the click of death problem.
Oddly enough, all of the crimp connections on both sides were solid, have no corrosion, and passed heavy pull test easily.
Ohmed out across the connections at about 0.2 or 0.3 ohm before tightening them up, 0.0 ohm afterwards (DVM). I tighten them up by crimping in the wings on the female side, after wire brushing the male side.
So what to do about this thing?
Well, I decided to clean up the connections, tighten them up, and reassemble the existing connections individually, with heat shrink tubing to hold them in place this time. It is reversible if it fails, and I didn't like the idea of doing a whole bunch of apparently needless soldering on my back under the dash in an unheated garage. I bundled the set together tightly with ty-wraps and routed it all properly back up under the dash. I will let you know how it works when I restart the engine in a day or two. Have done a bunch of other stuff as well in the engine bay, not quite ready to fire it up.
C31 and the "Click of Death"
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C31 and the "Click of Death"
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Re: C31 and the "Click of Death"
Nice! Just 4,327 more crimp terminals and you'll be done!
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Re: C31 and the "Click of Death"
The Lada switch has similar terminals as the C31 connector. With the original switch in the later year cars (around 1979) the wires were soldered onto the switch and that is the reason for short pigtail and C31. Earlier cars had the wires push on terminals mate directly to the ignition switch and no C31. If your cars wires reach your Lada ignition switch can't you eliminate the C31 pigtail and contacts?
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Re: C31 and the "Click of Death"
No they don't reach, unfortunately. Too short. Not soldered to the back of the ignition switch either, but I tightened up the connections, and I have installed lighting relays, so no worries. the system runs nice and cool.
Is that 4,327 an accurate count? Cuz' you know I will start keeping track.....
Pete
Is that 4,327 an accurate count? Cuz' you know I will start keeping track.....
Pete
'80 FI Spider 2000
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
2003 Jaguar XK8
2003 Jaguar XKR
2021 Jayco 22RB
2019 Bianchi Torino Bicycle
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
2003 Jaguar XK8
2003 Jaguar XKR
2021 Jayco 22RB
2019 Bianchi Torino Bicycle
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Re: C31 and the "Click of Death"
No they don't reach, unfortunately. Too short. Not soldered to the back of the ignition switch either, but I tightened up the connections, and I have installed lighting relays, so no worries. the system runs nice and cool.
Great, nice to know. Thanks for the post
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Re: C31 and the "Click of Death"
Just wanted to follow up on this, for closure.
So the engine is back up and running now after various Winter projects, and the C31 fix works perfectly. Completely tight and reliable, hidden up under the dash, sealed from the elements and fully reversible, ignition response is clearly improved, and the "click of death" completely gone. I think I am done with this one.
Pete
So the engine is back up and running now after various Winter projects, and the C31 fix works perfectly. Completely tight and reliable, hidden up under the dash, sealed from the elements and fully reversible, ignition response is clearly improved, and the "click of death" completely gone. I think I am done with this one.
Pete
'80 FI Spider 2000
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
2003 Jaguar XK8
2003 Jaguar XKR
2021 Jayco 22RB
2019 Bianchi Torino Bicycle
'74 and '79 X1/9 (past)
'75 BMW R75/6
2011 Chevy Malibu (daily driver)
2010 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Ext Cab 4WD/STD BED
2002 Edgewater 175CC 80HP 4-Stroke Yamaha
2003 Jaguar XK8
2003 Jaguar XKR
2021 Jayco 22RB
2019 Bianchi Torino Bicycle